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Post by macca on Mar 24, 2024 15:07:04 GMT
I do have a sympathetic room but that isn't down to luck.  Possibly, and you're extremely fortunate/skillful if you do. I may be wrong, but I believe all rooms (small or large) have issues and your room will be no exception. It is extremely unlikely your room has perfect frequency response. I would expect 10-20db swings in the bass and some peaks/suckouts through the midrange. I'd love it for you if I'm wrong! Perhaps you can measure one day and prove me wrong. I'd be genuinely very happy if I see a room with a measured naturally linear response. Of course it will have some issues! - But there's only two serious problems with rooms - obvious bass boom/suck out or too bright/reflective and I don't have either. We do hear past the room to a certain extent, once we acclimatise to the acoustic. I bought a mic last year just not got round to doing it as the incentive isn't there. Plus like you said on another thread if you're happy as it is then it might be best not knowing! I lived in 8 houses over 9 years, that gave me a pretty good idea of what sort of room was benign and what sort were a pain in the ass. Nothing smart about it, just a lot of practical experience. Really I would like something about twice the size but I couldn't afford that back then. Couldn't now either, come to think of it. |
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Post by macca on Mar 24, 2024 15:16:39 GMT
I do have a sympathetic room but that isn't down to luck. You do, and i know you sought it out, but many don't. I didn't. I wasn't even into hifi when we bought our house. I just think it's probably sensible to keep that in mind (my mind) as some folk really are hearing stuff that may not make sense to anyone else. And Jason is right, there are WAY more audiophiles that do not understand meaurements than there are that do. How else does all the tat out there keep getting sold! I had lots of tough rooms it makes perfect sense to me when people have issues with them, don't worry. Whatever the room it still makes sense to me to start with a good speaker and work from there, rather than get some dog's dinner in the hope that its foibles might by chance cancel out those of the room. |
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Post by Arke on Mar 24, 2024 16:11:40 GMT
You do, and i know you sought it out, but many don't. I didn't. I wasn't even into hifi when we bought our house. I just think it's probably sensible to keep that in mind (my mind) as some folk really are hearing stuff that may not make sense to anyone else. And Jason is right, there are WAY more audiophiles that do not understand meaurements than there are that do. How else does all the tat out there keep getting sold! I had lots of tough rooms it makes perfect sense to me when people have issues with them, don't worry. Whatever the room it still makes sense to me to start with a good speaker and work from there, rather than get some dog's dinner in the hope that its foibles might by chance cancel out those of the room. Agreed, the speaker is the second most important variable (measurements wise) in the system - get that good and you're off to a good start. Get the most important part right and you'll get the ultimate performance... The ROOM is key as you know. If you have the skills and knowledge to interpret measurements (and have a calibrated mic) take your room measurements. Knowledge is power... If you know what to do with it. EDIT: So in a nutshell: you understand and extol the importance of component measurements. I am trying to emphasise the importance of the measurements of speakers in one's room. This is the most variability (in the whole system) and this is where the largest gains can be made. Get your speakers in room (measuring) flat and with low distortion and then you have the ultimate performance. |
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Post by bencat on Mar 24, 2024 18:51:22 GMT
Yes but what do you do if you have all the gear (calibrated Mic etc ) but no idea ?
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Post by Arke on Mar 24, 2024 18:59:33 GMT
Yes but what do you do if you have all the gear (calibrated Mic etc ) but no idea ? Unfortunately, the speakers/room interaction is more than half of battle, but it is the hardest to understand and conquer. Either seek help/advice or do some research. Most hifi folk seem pretty proficient at learning about the technical challenges and how to achieve good performance. |
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Post by bencat on Mar 25, 2024 9:14:03 GMT
Jason great advice thank you but not really working for me . I tried very hard to get even a little grip on this and sadly failed . As I have managed to get my system working they way I like it in my room I think I will just have to watch from afar and read up on all the changes going on here .
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Post by Arke on Mar 25, 2024 9:20:01 GMT
Jason great advice thank you but not really working for me . I tried very hard to get even a little grip on this and sadly failed . As I have managed to get my system working they way I like it in my room I think I will just have to watch from afar and read up on all the changes going on here . Andrew, if you have it working how you like it you have achieved success. That's all that matters ultimately! Macca is very happy with his sound (as written above), so IMO it is best left alone. If you're happy, just enjoy the music! I aim to help people who feel changes/improvements are required. |
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